@craigmaloney "We don't know what we're doing." I see that all the time and I don't agree.

It's perfectly understandable that programmers who are just getting started don't know and need to learn. But if "we" programmers, as a whole, don't know what we're doing, we have a problem.

@noeldemartin @craigmaloney We, as a whole, don't know what we are doing. I'm programming for about 27 years, have about 16 years of job experience, and for all that time, i'm constantly trying to better my craft. And i've gotten better, sure, but me personally and "we" as a community still have a long way to go. This isn't that surprising, if you think about how long it took math, physics, etc. to get where they are now.

@tauli @craigmaloney The fact that we still have a long way to go, and I agree, doesn't mean we don't know what we are doing.

For example, when you create a sign up form, you know you shouldn't be storing user passwords in plain text, right? That's one example of knowing what we are doing.

It doesn't mean we are perfect. But saying that implies we haven't learned a thing. If you don't know what you are doing, what's difference between you and a new dev?